How to disable or remove cinnamon-screensaver ?

[www.pierre.aribaut.com]

Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

[Mike Easter]

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Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

Menu/ System settings (control center)/ Preferences section/
Never and you can also turn off the screen lock feature there.

Already done all that many days ago, but it still loads in RAM.

Post by Mike Easter
The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or the
software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.
The 'simplest' thing to do would be to disable it instead of removal.

Is is risky to remove ?

[www.pierre.aribaut.com]

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Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i
see "cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never
use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

Menu/ System settings (control center)/ Preferences section/
Never and you can also turn off the screen lock feature there.

Already done all that many days ago, but it still loads in RAM.

Post by Mike Easter
The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or
the software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.
The 'simplest' thing to do would be to disable it instead of removal.

Is is risky to remove ?

Sorry is *it* risky to remove both ?

[Wildman]

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Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

Menu/ System settings (control center)/ Preferences section/
Never and you can also turn off the screen lock feature there.

Already done all that many days ago, but it still loads in RAM.

I don't have anything installed that uses connamon
so I can't look myself. But, there should be an
entry in the main menu either under 'Settings' or
possibly 'System' that allows you to set whether
or not a program loads at startup. In Xfce it is
under 'Settings' and is called 'Session and Startup'.

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

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Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

Menu/ System settings (control center)/ Preferences section/
Never and you can also turn off the screen lock feature there.

Already done all that many days ago, but it still loads in RAM.

I don't have anything installed that uses connamon
so I can't look myself. But, there should be an
entry in the main menu either under 'Settings' or
possibly 'System' that allows you to set whether
or not a program loads at startup. In Xfce it is
under 'Settings' and is called 'Session and Startup'.

It doesn't appear in the startup list.
You can find it in the software manager, you can remove it (the software
manager doesn't say it's dangerous), but when you remove it, it removes
some essential components of Cinnamon also, and after reboot, just after
login, you have a black screen and nothing else, as i've said in other
posts.
So it's a bad idea to remove it, because after you need to install it
back as it crashes Cinnamon.

[www.pierre.aribaut.com]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or the
software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.
The 'simplest' thing to do would be to disable it instead of removal.

I see "cinnamon-screensaver" and "cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in
software manager, i see it as installed and i have the choice of
removing it.
I guess if i can remove it from software manager, it should not be a
risky thing ?
Another things are installed : xscreensaver-data-extra,
xscreensaver-gl-extra, xscreensaver-gl.
I can remove all if i don't use any screensaver ?

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

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Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i
see "cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never
use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or
the software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.
The 'simplest' thing to do would be to disable it instead of removal.

I see "cinnamon-screensaver" and "cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in
software manager, i see it as installed and i have the choice of
removing it.
I guess if i can remove it from software manager, it should not be a
risky thing ?
Another things are installed : xscreensaver-data-extra,
xscreensaver-gl-extra, xscreensaver-gl.
I can remove all if i don't use any screensaver ?

Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire session of
Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the screensaver).

[John B. Slocomb]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100, "Pierre www.aribaut.com"

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com

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Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i
see "cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never
use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or
the software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.
The 'simplest' thing to do would be to disable it instead of removal.

I see "cinnamon-screensaver" and "cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in
software manager, i see it as installed and i have the choice of
removing it.
I guess if i can remove it from software manager, it should not be a
risky thing ?
Another things are installed : xscreensaver-data-extra,
xscreensaver-gl-extra, xscreensaver-gl.
I can remove all if i don't use any screensaver ?

Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire session of
Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the screensaver).

Perhaps you should not have removed the "plugin". While I use Mate
rather then Cinnamon I always delete "mate-screensaver", using
Synaptic, with no problems. But I only delete the single app.

If I use a screen saver it is the "x" screen saver and it allows
disabling the screen saver as an option.

cheers,

John B.

[Johnny]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire session
of Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the
screensaver).

Reinstall the packages you removed.

When you see the mouse pointer hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login with your name
and password. Reinstall the packages like this.

sudo apt-get install mint-meta-cinnamon

Then reinstall the other packages you removed.

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

Post by John B. Slocomb
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire session
of Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the
screensaver).

Reinstall the packages you removed.
When you see the mouse pointer hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login with your name
and password. Reinstall the packages like this.

I had nothing after login, only black screen, no icon, no terminal,
nothing i could do.

Post by John B. Slocomb
sudo apt-get install mint-meta-cinnamon > Then reinstall the other packages you removed.

I need access to terminal for that.
As it was crashed, i decided to give a try to linux mint 19.1, so i
erased and installed linux mint 19.1 instead, now testing it.
Not bad, works fine, but i don't dare remove cinnamon-screensaver ;)

[Johnny]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:31:52 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com

Post by John B. Slocomb
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire
session of Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the
screensaver).

Reinstall the packages you removed.
When you see the mouse pointer hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login with your
name and password. Reinstall the packages like this.

I had nothing after login, only black screen, no icon, no terminal,
nothing i could do.

Post by John B. Slocomb
sudo apt-get install mint-meta-cinnamon > Then reinstall the other
packages you removed.

I need access to terminal for that.
As it was crashed, i decided to give a try to linux mint 19.1, so i
erased and installed linux mint 19.1 instead, now testing it.
Not bad, works fine, but i don't dare remove cinnamon-screensaver ;)

I'm running Cinnamon 19 beta, so I removed the same packages you did,
and got the same results you did. A black screen.

By entering Ctrl-Alt-F1 I got to a command prompt, and reinstalled what
I had removed. When I rebooted, Cinnamon 19 beta was back to normal.

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

Post by Johnny
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:31:52 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com

Post by John B. Slocomb
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and after i
could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black screen with only
mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire
session of Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the
screensaver).

Reinstall the packages you removed.
When you see the mouse pointer hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login with your
name and password. Reinstall the packages like this.

I had nothing after login, only black screen, no icon, no terminal,
nothing i could do.

Post by John B. Slocomb
sudo apt-get install mint-meta-cinnamon > Then reinstall the other
packages you removed.

I need access to terminal for that.
As it was crashed, i decided to give a try to linux mint 19.1, so i
erased and installed linux mint 19.1 instead, now testing it.
Not bad, works fine, but i don't dare remove cinnamon-screensaver ;)

I'm running Cinnamon 19 beta, so I removed the same packages you did,
and got the same results you did. A black screen.
By entering Ctrl-Alt-F1 I got to a command prompt, and reinstalled what
I had removed. When I rebooted, Cinnamon 19 beta was back to normal.

Thanks, good to know there was a solution, i didn't know that
Ctrl-Alt-F1, thank you for the tip :)

[Johnny]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:52:11 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com

Post by Johnny
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 16:31:52 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com

Post by John B. Slocomb
On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 01:10:01 +0100

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
Ok, not a good idea, i removed "cinnamon-screensaver" and
"cinnamon-screensaver-x-plugin" in the software, reboot and
after i could not launch Cinnamon, just after login, black
screen with only mouse cursor, nothing more.
So i guess we can only disable, as it's linked to the entire
session of Cinnamon (if you remove, it removes more than just the
screensaver).

Reinstall the packages you removed.
When you see the mouse pointer hit Ctrl-Alt-F1 and login with your
name and password. Reinstall the packages like this.

I had nothing after login, only black screen, no icon, no terminal,
nothing i could do.

Post by John B. Slocomb
sudo apt-get install mint-meta-cinnamon > Then reinstall the other
packages you removed.

I need access to terminal for that.
As it was crashed, i decided to give a try to linux mint 19.1, so i
erased and installed linux mint 19.1 instead, now testing it.
Not bad, works fine, but i don't dare remove
cinnamon-screensaver ;)

I'm running Cinnamon 19 beta, so I removed the same packages you
did, and got the same results you did. A black screen.
By entering Ctrl-Alt-F1 I got to a command prompt, and reinstalled
what I had removed. When I rebooted, Cinnamon 19 beta was back to
normal.

Thanks, good to know there was a solution, i didn't know that
Ctrl-Alt-F1, thank you for the tip :)

It's good to know. If you ever use it to reinstall packages, just type
in sudo reboot and hit enter, and the computer will reboot.

[Yrrah]

Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or the
software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.

Unfortunately cinnamon-screensaver and plug-in can't be removed as
they are essential Cinnamon components. Uninstalling them will also
remove mint-meta-cinnamon.
Perhaps it's not an example of elegant programming when an unused (and
unwanted) component cannot be removed and still gets loaded into RAM.
Linux may be about choice and all that, but it looks like there is
room for improvement in that department...


Yrrah

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

Post by Yrrah

Post by Mike Easter

Post by www.pierre.aribaut.com
Hello, i don't use it, but it's still in RAM in the process list i see
"cinnamon-screensaver" taking around 20 Mo for something i never use.
How to disable or remove this "cinnamon-screensaver" ?

The business about removal could be done in synaptic if installed or the
software manager where there are two installed parts; the
cinnamon-screensaver and the cinnamon-screensaver-plugin.

Unfortunately cinnamon-screensaver and plug-in can't be removed as
they are essential Cinnamon components. Uninstalling them will also
remove mint-meta-cinnamon.
Perhaps it's not an example of elegant programming when an unused (and
unwanted) component cannot be removed and still gets loaded into RAM.
Linux may be about choice and all that, but it looks like there is
room for improvement in that department...
Yrrah

Yes i know that now ;)
Well, it's only 20/30 Mo of RAM, it's not that important, just i wanted
to avoid loading it if i don't use it.

[Ferannia]

Post by Yrrah
Unfortunately cinnamon-screensaver and plug-in can't be removed as
they are essential Cinnamon components. Uninstalling them will also
remove mint-meta-cinnamon.

It's the side effect of meta packages, which is why meta packages are
a bad choice to install.

Although it's a piece of cake to do without consequences what the OP
originally wanted to do, it slows people down because it involves
extra step to remedy the system and keep it stable, and it shouldn't
be necessary.

Post by Yrrah
Perhaps it's not an example of elegant programming when an unused (and
unwanted) component cannot be removed and still gets loaded into RAM.
Linux may be about choice and all that, but it looks like there is
room for improvement in that department...

It's it's about know-how, or better yet "know-what". Just don't
install meta package(s). Meta pkgs are a convenient way to install
all that's needed, but there is a consequence as the original
poster has experienced.

The only improvement would be a responsibility of distro maintainers
to abandon the idea of meta packages.

Instead, install pkgs that are listed in the meta package
requirements, one by one at will, and skip the ones you don't want
like the cinnamon screensaver.

After installing all or some of pkgs listed in the meta pkg, and not
installing the meta itself, you may remove each individual pkg as it
pleases you without crippling DE installation.

There is also a very simple way to prevent the auto removal of all
meta pkg dependencies when one of the required pkg is
missing/uninstalled, yet nobody has offered it to the OP, everybody
is just perceiving meta pkgs as something sacred that shouldn't be
touched.

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

Post by Ferannia

Post by Yrrah
Unfortunately cinnamon-screensaver and plug-in can't be removed as
they are essential Cinnamon components. Uninstalling them will also
remove mint-meta-cinnamon.

It's the side effect of meta packages, which is why meta packages are
a bad choice to install.
Although it's a piece of cake to do without consequences what the OP
originally wanted to do, it slows people down because it involves
extra step to remedy the system and keep it stable, and it shouldn't
be necessary.

Post by Yrrah
Perhaps it's not an example of elegant programming when an unused (and
unwanted) component cannot be removed and still gets loaded into RAM.
Linux may be about choice and all that, but it looks like there is
room for improvement in that department...

It's it's about know-how, or better yet "know-what". Just don't
install meta package(s). Meta pkgs are a convenient way to install
all that's needed, but there is a consequence as the original
poster has experienced.
The only improvement would be a responsibility of distro maintainers
to abandon the idea of meta packages.
Instead, install pkgs that are listed in the meta package
requirements, one by one at will, and skip the ones you don't want
like the cinnamon screensaver.
After installing all or some of pkgs listed in the meta pkg, and not
installing the meta itself, you may remove each individual pkg as it
pleases you without crippling DE installation.
There is also a very simple way to prevent the auto removal of all
meta pkg dependencies when one of the required pkg is
missing/uninstalled, yet nobody has offered it to the OP, everybody
is just perceiving meta pkgs as something sacred that shouldn't be
touched.

True :)
Is it the same in Xfce ? meta package or isolated package that we can
stop easily ?

[Ferannia]

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018 22:40:08 +0100

Is it the same in Xfce ? meta package or isolated package that we can stop easily ?

There is a meta pkg for xfce too; install its requirements one by one, but not the meta pkg itself. Or, just keep installing xfce packages via synaptic, not even looking at xfce meta pkg, and let dependencies do the rest of it, but be carefull not to let xfce-meta pkg be installed.

After that, although there are dependencies in each individual package, you'll be able to remove individual packages anyway without crippling xfce by the same magnitude you experienced in cinnamon.

With xfce people usually install xscreensaver which isn't tied to any specific DE.

[yoss]

Post by Ferannia
It's it's about know-how, or better yet "know-what". Just don't
install meta package(s). Meta pkgs are a convenient way to install
all that's needed, but there is a consequence as the original
poster has experienced.

Have same problems
I didn't install any meta package(s) it come with instalinng the OS.
Tolking abuot Mint 19 cinn.There is more obsolite things for some people.
like
csd-wacom
csd-orientation
csd-color
csd-housekeeping even don't know what is this
In Mint 18.3 all of those shows in "program startup" and can be disabled.
I tried to put it in "startup" and disable it, but no honey.
All in all it's 15.2 waisted memory. We are going in windows way.

[Pierre www.aribaut.com]

Post by yoss

Post by Ferannia
It's it's about know-how, or better yet "know-what". Just don't
install meta package(s). Meta pkgs are a convenient way to install
all that's needed, but there is a consequence as the original
poster has experienced.

Have same problems
I didn't install any meta package(s) it come with instalinng the OS.
Tolking abuot Mint 19 cinn.There is more obsolite things for some people.
like
csd-wacom
csd-orientation
csd-color
csd-housekeeping even don't know what is this
In Mint 18.3 all of those shows in "program startup" and can be disabled.
I tried to put it in "startup" and disable it, but no honey.
All in all it's 15.2 waisted memory. We are going in windows way.

15.2 Mo in total ?

[yoss]

Post by Pierre www.aribaut.com
15.2 Mo in total ?

15.2 MiB as system monitor say.