Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

[Edmund]

Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

[Joerg Walther]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.

-jw-

[Edmund]

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.
-jw-

Did you try to run it, how with what?

[Joerg Walther]

Post by Edmund

Post by Joerg Walther
I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.

Did you try to run it, how with what?

I did, and it worked, just as it is currently working with Ubuntu, on
which my Agent is running on with Wine, this setup also worked with LM.

-jw-

[Big Al]

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.
-jw-

I have a windows card game and version 9 completely destroyed the window and toolbar etc. Almost
makes it unusable, difficult at best to play and hit the undo/redo.

This what it should be: https://postimg.cc/PPtLZXc9
and this is what 9 did: https://postimg.cc/JyBtmGDD

[Joerg Walther]

Post by Big Al

Post by Joerg Walther
I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.

I have a windows card game and version 9 completely destroyed the window and toolbar etc. Almost
makes it unusable, difficult at best to play and hit the undo/redo.
This what it should be: https://postimg.cc/PPtLZXc9
and this is what 9 did: https://postimg.cc/JyBtmGDD

Well, this is not supposed to how it should be working. No problems here
with Agent 6, though. File a bug report https://bugs.winehq.org? Or try
out the developer version 9.4?

-jw-

[Big Al]

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Big Al

Post by Joerg Walther
I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.

I have a windows card game and version 9 completely destroyed the window and toolbar etc. Almost
makes it unusable, difficult at best to play and hit the undo/redo.
This what it should be: https://postimg.cc/PPtLZXc9
and this is what 9 did: https://postimg.cc/JyBtmGDD

Well, this is not supposed to how it should be working. No problems here
with Agent 6, though. File a bug report https://bugs.winehq.org? Or try
out the developer version 9.4?
-jw-

That's what the screenshots were for, I think. It's been a while since I tested 9.0

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I used it last year, just installed it from the repository: sudo apt
install wine; version should be 9.0.

Which repository?

My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.
Winehq does have later versions.

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Ralph Fox
My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.
Winehq does have later versions.

When I run Synaptic here, I see wine listed as 6.0.3-repaack-1, but
there's also wine-stable, with version 9.0.0.0-jammy-1, and wine-devel
with version 9.4-jammy-1.

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Enno Borgsteede

Post by Ralph Fox
My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.
Winehq does have later versions.

When I run Synaptic here, I see wine listed as 6.0.3-repaack-1, but
there's also wine-stable, with version 9.0.0.0-jammy-1, and wine-devel
with version 9.4-jammy-1.

Odd.
Here, Synaptic package manager shows "wine-stable" with latest-version
equal to "3.0.1ubuntu1" and "wine-development" with latest-version
equal to "6.0+repack-1ubuntu1".
If it is important, winehq is *not* in my "Settings >> Repositories >>
Additional Repositories".

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Ralph Fox

Post by Enno Borgsteede

Post by Ralph Fox
My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.
Winehq does have later versions.

When I run Synaptic here, I see wine listed as 6.0.3-repaack-1, but
there's also wine-stable, with version 9.0.0.0-jammy-1, and wine-devel
with version 9.4-jammy-1.

Odd.
Here, Synaptic package manager shows "wine-stable" with latest-version
equal to "3.0.1ubuntu1" and "wine-development" with latest-version
equal to "6.0+repack-1ubuntu1".
If it is important, winehq is *not* in my "Settings >> Repositories >>
Additional Repositories".

It's not visible in my settings either, but some further research shows
that that doesn't mean that it isn't there, because these settings don't
show everything, and I know that I did add the repository somewhere,
following the instructions listed here:

https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu

I followed the instructions for Ubuntu 22.04, which mean that I
downloaded a file named winehq.jammy.sources to

/etc/apt/sources.list.d/

and that's where it is, and where Synaptic reads from it.

My guess is that it doesn't show in settings, because of its extension,
which is sources, and not list, like the other files.

Interesting ...

[Big Al]

Post by Ralph Fox

Post by Enno Borgsteede

Post by Ralph Fox
My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.
Winehq does have later versions.

When I run Synaptic here, I see wine listed as 6.0.3-repaack-1, but
there's also wine-stable, with version 9.0.0.0-jammy-1, and wine-devel
with version 9.4-jammy-1.

Odd.
Here, Synaptic package manager shows "wine-stable" with latest-version
equal to "3.0.1ubuntu1" and "wine-development" with latest-version
equal to "6.0+repack-1ubuntu1".
If it is important, winehq is *not* in my "Settings >> Repositories >>
Additional Repositories".

It's not visible in my settings either, but some further research shows that that doesn't mean that
it isn't there, because these settings don't show everything, and I know that I did add the
https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
I followed the instructions for Ubuntu 22.04, which mean that I downloaded a file named
winehq.jammy.sources to
/etc/apt/sources.list.d/
and that's where it is, and where Synaptic reads from it.
My guess is that it doesn't show in settings, because of its extension, which is sources, and not
list, like the other files.
Interesting ...

My additional repositories has wine-hq as
deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ jammy main
and says it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list

And that's where and what was there. Never looked at the files personally, I just do the shell
commands and know they work.

You all haven't changed your software sources have you? Not that additional repositories would be
affected.

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Big Al
My additional repositories has wine-hq as
  deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ jammy main
and says it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
And that's where and what was there.  Never looked at the files
personally, I just do the shell commands and know they work.
You all haven't changed your software sources have you?  Not that
additional repositories would be affected.

Do you have any idea how that deb line got there? It's a format that I
see in two other repositories that I use for Mega and Microsoft (for
Visual Studio Code), but the current instructions on Wine HQ refer to
another format, stored in a .sources file, which is not recognized by
the package sources application.

It works with apt though, and I wasn't aware of the difference until I
looked at the file, and wondered why it wasn't listed.

[Big Al]

Post by Big Al
My additional repositories has wine-hq as
   deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ jammy main
and says it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
And that's where and what was there.  Never looked at the files personally, I just do the shell
commands and know they work.
You all haven't changed your software sources have you?  Not that additional repositories would be
affected.

Do you have any idea how that deb line got there? It's a format that I see in two other repositories
that I use for Mega and Microsoft (for Visual Studio Code), but the current instructions on Wine HQ
refer to another format, stored in a .sources file, which is not recognized by the package sources
application.
It works with apt though, and I wasn't aware of the difference until I looked at the file, and
wondered why it wasn't listed.

Nope. I have an install script but it's all flawed, for old 20.3

[Big Al]

Post by Big Al
My additional repositories has wine-hq as
   deb https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu/ jammy main
and says it's in /etc/apt/sources.list.d/additional-repositories.list
And that's where and what was there.  Never looked at the files personally, I just do the shell
commands and know they work.
You all haven't changed your software sources have you?  Not that additional repositories would
be affected.

Do you have any idea how that deb line got there? It's a format that I see in two other
repositories that I use for Mega and Microsoft (for Visual Studio Code), but the current
instructions on Wine HQ refer to another format, stored in a .sources file, which is not
recognized by the package sources application.
It works with apt though, and I wasn't aware of the difference until I looked at the file, and
wondered why it wasn't listed.

Nope.  I have an install script but it's all flawed,  for old 20.3

Some further notes, I have a script, which looks like I selected specific lines from
https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu

Yet... I don't have the "keys" that these 2 lines suggest.
sudo mkdir -pm755 /etc/apt/keyrings
sudo wget -O /etc/apt/keyrings/winehq-archive.key https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key

/etc/apt/keyrings has 2 keys but nothing to do with wine.

So I'm totally stumped. Ouch! Now how do I reload properly?!!! (don't answer).

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Big Al
Some further notes, I have a script, which looks like I selected
specific lines from https://wiki.winehq.org/Ubuntu
Yet... I don't have the "keys" that these 2 lines suggest.
sudo mkdir -pm755 /etc/apt/keyrings
sudo wget -O /etc/apt/keyrings/winehq-archive.key
https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/winehq.key

I have that. Just one file.

And my winehq-jammy.sources file says this:

Types: deb
URIs: https://dl.winehq.org/wine-builds/ubuntu
Suites: jammy
Components: main
Architectures: amd64 i386
Signed-By: /etc/apt/keyrings/winehq-archive.key

And apparently, apt can work with that.

Post by Big Al
So I'm totally stumped.  Ouch!  Now how do I reload properly?!!! (don't
answer).

I won't. :-)

[Yrrah]

Post by Ralph Fox
My Wine is from the Mint repository and is version "6.0.3~repack-1".
Synaptic package manager claims that is the latest there.

Same here (LM 21.3 Cinnamon).
No problems, so v. 6.0.3 is "a working wine" afaiac.

Yrrah

[yossarian]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

From Software manager
Wine-stable
Winwhq-stable
Wine desktop files
Fonts-Wine
Wine.stable-amd64
I instaledd Q4wine for more options to reconfigure but don't know is
that needed.
I don't use many programs, 40tude Dialog as you can see and
roter software the Dude

runing mint 21.3 cinn. on AMD ryzen

[Edmund]

Post by yossarian

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

From Software manager
Wine-stable
Winwhq-stable
Wine desktop files
Fonts-Wine
Wine.stable-amd64
I instaledd Q4wine for more options to reconfigure but don't know is
that needed.
I don't use many programs, 40tude Dialog as you can see and
roter software the Dude
runing mint 21.3 cinn. on AMD ryzen

I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

[Joerg Walther]

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.

BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.

-jw-

[Edmund]

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.

BTW I got it working somewhat... and don't want to waste more time on it
as long as it works. Next thing to do is proxmox - dualboot to end the
endless wine troubles.

[Big Al]

Post by Edmund

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.
BTW I got it working somewhat... and don't want to waste more time on it as long as it works. Next
thing to do is proxmox - dualboot to end the endless wine troubles.

Have you thought of something like virtualbox and just run a copy of windows there for those few
programs?

[Edmund]

Post by Big Al

Post by Edmund

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.
BTW I got it working somewhat... and don't want to waste more time on
it as long as it works. Next thing to do is proxmox - dualboot to end
the endless wine troubles.

Have you thought of something like virtualbox and just run a copy of
windows there for those few programs?

Well that is what proxmox is, although I going to use it as dual-boot.

[Big Al]

Post by Edmund

Post by Big Al

Post by Edmund

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.
BTW I got it working somewhat... and don't want to waste more time on it as long as it works.
Next thing to do is proxmox - dualboot to end the endless wine troubles.

Have you thought of something like virtualbox and just run a copy of windows there for those few
programs?

Well that is what proxmox is, although I going to use it as dual-boot.

Never seen/heard of proxmox, I'll look into it.

[Jack Strangio]

Post by Big Al
Have you thought of something like virtualbox and just run a copy of windows there for those few
programs?

I agree completely. I've never had a lot of success with Wine, ReactOS and
WABI. They always seem to have problems with missing pieces and also seem
to leave stuff lying all over the place.

On the other hand, VirtualBox is installed miles away from the /home
directory and the .VDIs can be placed anywhere in the FileTree and not
necessarily in the /home directory space either.

But the biggest advantage is that Windows works like Windows is meant to
work because it is in use as a single entity.

Regards,

Jack

[Joerg Walther]

Post by Jack Strangio

Post by Big Al
Have you thought of something like virtualbox and just run a copy of windows there for those few
programs?

I agree completely. I've never had a lot of success with Wine, ReactOS and
WABI. They always seem to have problems with missing pieces and also seem
to leave stuff lying all over the place.

I had to google WABI, this is quite an old project, 16bit only; ReactOS
will never leave alpha stage, completely unstable; otoh Wine works quite
well with a lot of applications, I am writing this in Wine actually, but
when something is not stable in Wine a virtual machine is not a bad idea
although it needs considerably more hdd space, memory and cpu.

-jw-

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Edmund
I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=application&iId=20001

[Paul]

Post by Edmund

Post by Joerg Walther

Post by Edmund
I get : an error occured and a shitload of unmet dependencies.

What exactly are you trying to install?
sudo apt install wine
should get you everything you need. There were no unmet dependencies
installing this on LM 21.2 last summer, I do not reckon distros change
that dramatically within a couple of months. I only switched to Ubuntu
for Wayland, which I needed for a couple of reasons; may be going back
to LM soon because it now offers it too.
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I need it for "dreamboxedit" a tool for settings in a Sat receiver.
BTW I got it working somewhat... and don't want to waste more time on it
as long as it works. Next thing to do is proxmox - dualboot to end the
endless wine troubles.

Using an old link, I could not get the file, but at least it had a hash field
I could use to check in Virustotal.

sudo wget "http://www.dream-multimedia-tv.de/board/index.php?page=Attachment&attachmentID=8070&
h=890ecdc379efa5cc7eaa1e4305500c1a5922fe8b&
s=a26caeb1979169bf1dda24f2b63cf1bd6f243b34" -O dreamboxEDIT_without_setup_5.3.0.0.zip

Plug 890ecdc379efa5cc7eaa1e4305500c1a5922fe8b into the Search on Virustotal.com .
Then from there, the filelist for the ZIP has a link to dreamboxEDIT.exe analysis.

*******

dreamboxEDIT.exe 5.3.0.0 executable part of the ZIP. What a strange executable.

https://www.virustotal.com/gui/file/dcf548eb61aba450008bc87e33498bce37c68f22575b190d7e86e6cb0ea8e8d5/behavior

One part of the analysis, says it looks like an ActiveX plugin. But Internet Explorer
is bombsquad material on Windows, and if you try to use Internet Explorer now/today,
Microsoft kills it remotely. If the application actually relies on IExx
as a display or output, I would not expect that to work for very long.

If you put that in a VM, I think I'd keep it by itself, in a separate container file.

Do you really need a 6MB file to do a text editor on Windows ???
Notepad.exe is 352KB. It's 18 times the size of a text editor.

*******

For the audience, this is some of the history.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enigma_%28DVB%29

Paul

[yossarian]

Post by Joerg Walther
BTW: Ignore that Y.... guy (Rüdiger Wähling), he has been in my killfile
for 20+ (!) years, for obvious reasons, starting from Fidonet.
-jw-

I'm not that guy (Rüdiger Wähling), Mr .jw- should be a little more careful
when marking someone. I'm really curious what are the "obvious reasons" in
my post?

[Joerg Walther]

Post by yossarian
I'm not that guy (Rüdiger Wähling), Mr .jw- should be a little more careful
when marking someone. I'm really curious what are the "obvious reasons" in
my post?

OK, then you chose the exact same nym as him, sorry.

-jw-

[Enno Borgsteede]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I got mine from Wine HQ at https://www.winehq.org/

And I used that, because it was the easiest way to get an older version
that works well with RootsMagic 9.

I have version 7.0.2. here, and reject all updates provided by Mint.

I also use winetricks for some needed tweaks.

[Ralph Fox]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

Wine is working here in Mint 21.3. I installed Wine from the Mint repo
a couple of years ago using the command below. Wine has continued
working through a few Mint upgrades.

apt install wine-installer

See also: <https://forums.linuxmint.com/viewtopic.php?t=394972>

The Wine options in the Mint start menu did not work immediately, but
did work after I restarted Mint.


My only problem was that Wine did not install wine-gecko which is
needed to display Windows .chm help files. To install wine-gecko I
followed the steps here:
<http://al.howardknight.net/?ID=171061137400>

[Paul]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think at one time, I was able to install WINE satisfactorily.
But that was in a galaxy, far far away.

But once there was 32 bit and 64 bit elements involved,
the wheels kinda fell off.

There is something about "enabling multilib/multiarch" that affects success.
Depending on distro, you MUST check this as your first step,
not your 23rd step when it is too late.

"Enable the multilib repository

The multilib repository enables 32-bit apps to run on 64-bit
installations. Many Windows apps are 32-bit or have 32-bit components,
and even 64-bit apps often have installation .exe files that are 32-bit.
Without the ability to run 32-bit apps, Wine would have limited value."

A number of things we use, are only available as 64-bit installs now,
so this is something you'd want to check... before getting too far
into the process. Multilib (multiarch) capability may not have been completely
removed yet, but it might not be a default. And it should be
checked early in your workflow, of getting WINE to work.

This could be what has already been done to 64-bit Mint for us.

dpkg --print-architecture
amd64

dpkg --print-foreign-architectures # Don't forget to include the letter "s" on the end
i386

sudo dpkg --add-architecture i386 # We don't need to do this, as it is already there

In Synaptic, the only evidence of multiarch I can see is this entry:

wine32-preloader:i386 # The :i386 is the indicator

I'm surprised there aren't more entries like that. Well, actually,
if you select "wine" meta-entry in Synaptic, a HUGE list of :i386 show up,
including wine32:i386, which is what I was expecting to see.

*******

This is an activity today, that requires multiple trials. You
really need a backup and restore capability, to finish the
WINE task satisfactorily.

I will save this for later, when I have a few moments.

There can also be confusion, about what packages you are
supposed to be installing. Like confusing Mono with .NET or something.
Or even "should I install the Microsoft .NET or the WINE .NET".
This is related to "winetricks" entries versus other (potential but
wrong) solutions :-)

Before you can even click a button, you have to do your research
first. More than once, I've been working on the wrong thing,
which is not very satisfying (we're supposed to know what
we're doing, right?) .

Summary: Take your time. There's always an opportunity to be
doing it again. But think how satisfying it would be
to have it 100% functional.

Paul

[Nic]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think that you ask for too much. More than half of all the program
worked with glitches and problems/work arounds in the original windows
environment, and WINE is an amazing undertaking.

[Paul]

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think that you ask for too much. More than half of all the program worked with glitches and problems/work arounds in the original windows environment, and WINE is an amazing undertaking.

WINE has a lot of moving parts.

Of course it's not easy.

It would be easy if it had instructions.

Paul

[jjb]

Post by Paul

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think that you ask for too much. More than half of all the program worked with glitches and problems/work arounds in the original windows environment, and WINE is an amazing undertaking.

WINE has a lot of moving parts.
Of course it's not easy.
It would be easy if it had instructions.
Paul

Running Mint 21.3.
Installed wine with:
sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Works for me with all Windows stuff I have (not much, though).

[Paul]

Post by jjb

Post by Paul

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think that you ask for too much. More than half of all the program worked with glitches and problems/work arounds in the original windows environment, and WINE is an amazing undertaking.

WINE has a lot of moving parts.
Of course it's not easy.
It would be easy if it had instructions.
    Paul

Running Mint 21.3.
    sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Works for me with all Windows stuff I have (not much, though).

Well, that's part of the problem.

WINE is the "never-ending journey". There is no such
thing as a "I have done a complete and thorough test".

Because I can tell you haven't.

You can enter WINE. You can "have an adventure". You come
out the other side, either with broken WINE or working WINE.

Microsoft can create new gubbins, faster than you can detect
they've done that, and then you find a way of testing. Would
a Metro.App work ? Would a UWP work ? Would a ClickOnce work ?

It's the same sad situation I have with NTFS file systems.
Can anyone list all the files on an NTFS file system ?
No, they can't :-) Sorry. Try again.

I have this big bruise on my forehead, from trying
some of this stuff.

As an example, two utilities I have for listing the
contents of an NTFS volume, they differ by... oh... 100,000 files.
That is all. Not much when you think about it. Inspires confidence.

At one time, Microsoft had a couple files in the System32 folder,
which used an exotic UTF character set of some sort. A couple of
the characters in the filename string were "not representable"
and when pasted into Thunderbird (which is normally pretty good
about this stuff), you could not tell that a couple of characters
were missing from what you pasted. Now, the idiots did remove that
stuff a few months later, and the developer on acid is likely
locked in a broom closet.

*******

I've just come back from my adventure.

Summary:

1) Synaptic in good shape. Bravo. Selecting the "wine" metapackage
really does work. That's probably the first time I've seen that
in eight or ten years. Whoever did that, good work!

2) Winetricks has broken download refs in it. Microsoft is constantly
removing stuff from their server that should be left there.
Winetricks even resorted to archive.org references (which were also
missing), so you know some monkeys have been in a knife fight again.

To install .NET, I use 3.5.1SP1 (gives 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 versions).
Next, you should install .NET 4.0 , because the other dotNET offerings
are not really cumulative. When you go to install .NET 4.7.2 ,
the download ref is busted, so you instead just download
one of a similar name but different SHA256 and run
that using "wine" directly.

wine ./ndp472-kb4054530-x86-x64-allos-enu.exe

When it appears to be stuck, open a second terminal window,
and run "top". The action of running "top" seems to break
a deadlock somewhere, and the installer will then finish up.

I ran Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" to check.

wine ./netfx_setupverifier.exe

and it passed as intended 2.0,3.0,3.5,4.0,4.7.2 . That would
cover a certain percentage of .NET applications, but not necessarily
all of them. .NET is up to 6 or higher now, and I didn't check
the Winetricks to see if it has caught up.

Since mscoree has JIT capability, the fact that the
mscoree scan of the file system does or does not complete,
is not supposed to matter. As an executable will cause
it to run "Just In Time" when you start the loader on the executable.
If you run "top", you can at least see the mscoree for dotnet
2.0,3.0,3.5 attempting to run.

This means I've tested about 5% of the attack surface.

I don't have enough games, to test that part of it.

Paul

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Post by Paul

Post by jjb

Post by Paul

Post by Edmund
Is it possible to get a working wine in mint 21.3 if so HOW?

I think that you ask for too much. More than half of all the program worked with glitches and problems/work arounds in the original windows environment, and WINE is an amazing undertaking.

WINE has a lot of moving parts.
Of course it's not easy.
It would be easy if it had instructions.
    Paul

Running Mint 21.3.
    sudo apt install --install-recommends winehq-stable
Works for me with all Windows stuff I have (not much, though).

Well, that's part of the problem.
WINE is the "never-ending journey". There is no such
thing as a "I have done a complete and thorough test".
Because I can tell you haven't.
You can enter WINE. You can "have an adventure". You come
out the other side, either with broken WINE or working WINE.
Microsoft can create new gubbins, faster than you can detect
they've done that, and then you find a way of testing. Would
a Metro.App work ? Would a UWP work ? Would a ClickOnce work ?
It's the same sad situation I have with NTFS file systems.
Can anyone list all the files on an NTFS file system ?
No, they can't :-) Sorry. Try again.
I have this big bruise on my forehead, from trying
some of this stuff.
As an example, two utilities I have for listing the
contents of an NTFS volume, they differ by... oh... 100,000 files.
That is all. Not much when you think about it. Inspires confidence.
At one time, Microsoft had a couple files in the System32 folder,
which used an exotic UTF character set of some sort. A couple of
the characters in the filename string were "not representable"
and when pasted into Thunderbird (which is normally pretty good
about this stuff), you could not tell that a couple of characters
were missing from what you pasted. Now, the idiots did remove that
stuff a few months later, and the developer on acid is likely
locked in a broom closet.
*******
I've just come back from my adventure.
1) Synaptic in good shape. Bravo. Selecting the "wine" metapackage
really does work. That's probably the first time I've seen that
in eight or ten years. Whoever did that, good work!
2) Winetricks has broken download refs in it. Microsoft is constantly
removing stuff from their server that should be left there.
Winetricks even resorted to archive.org references (which were also
missing), so you know some monkeys have been in a knife fight again.
To install .NET, I use 3.5.1SP1 (gives 2.0, 3.0, 3.5 versions).
Next, you should install .NET 4.0 , because the other dotNET offerings
are not really cumulative. When you go to install .NET 4.7.2 ,
the download ref is busted, so you instead just download
one of a similar name but different SHA256 and run
that using "wine" directly.
wine ./ndp472-kb4054530-x86-x64-allos-enu.exe
When it appears to be stuck, open a second terminal window,
and run "top". The action of running "top" seems to break
a deadlock somewhere, and the installer will then finish up.
I ran Aaron Stebners "netfx_setupverifier_new.zip" to check.
wine ./netfx_setupverifier.exe
and it passed as intended 2.0,3.0,3.5,4.0,4.7.2 . That would
cover a certain percentage of .NET applications, but not necessarily
all of them. .NET is up to 6 or higher now, and I didn't check
the Winetricks to see if it has caught up.
Since mscoree has JIT capability, the fact that the
mscoree scan of the file system does or does not complete,
is not supposed to matter. As an executable will cause
it to run "Just In Time" when you start the loader on the executable.
If you run "top", you can at least see the mscoree for dotnet
2.0,3.0,3.5 attempting to run.
This means I've tested about 5% of the attack surface.
I don't have enough games, to test that part of it.
Paul

The whole problem has to do with people (the Linux crowd) wrestling
computational science and art from the computer capitalists, if Bill
Gates et al developing computers for profit, as opposed to developing
computers for the greater benefits of the populations and societies. The
digital world belongs to everyone.