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Update Firefox browser
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Adam
2024-10-24 20:17:12 UTC
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I'm getting the following message...


https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser

Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and other
features to stop working. Update to get the best possible browsing
experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================


How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]

How to try out Firefox versions without installing?

Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]

No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Alan K.
2024-10-24 21:10:15 UTC
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Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14, 2025. A root certificate will
expire, causing some preferences and other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Doesn't your Linux provide new updates? Can't you just let your Linux do it for you?
This isn't Windows where you have to download things.
--
Linux Mint 22, Cinnamon 6.2.9, Kernel 6.8.0-47-generic
Al
Adam
2024-10-25 02:24:17 UTC
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Post by Alan K.
Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Doesn't your Linux provide new updates? Can't you just let your Linux do it for you?
This isn't Windows where you have to download things.
Yes, Ubuntu update works great while the version is still supported.
After support ends, update can mess up the system. Happened before.

Otherwise, I would have updated.
Joerg Walther
2024-10-25 08:33:00 UTC
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Post by Adam
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
How about these?
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux

It boils down to either adding the repository to your sources.list or
downloading a binary package.

-jw-
--
And now for something completely different...
Adam
2024-10-25 15:53:26 UTC
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Post by Joerg Walther
Post by Adam
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
How about these?
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/install-firefox-linux
Thanks for the URL.
Post by Joerg Walther
It boils down to either adding the repository to your sources.list or
downloading a binary package.
-jw-
Dan Purgert
2024-10-25 13:10:53 UTC
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Post by Adam
[...]
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
If you REALLY mean you're on Ubuntu 16.04 / LinuxMint 18 ... You install
a version that hasn't been EOL for 3 years.
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Adam
2024-10-25 15:54:53 UTC
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Post by Dan Purgert
Post by Adam
[...]
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
If you REALLY mean you're on Ubuntu 16.04 / LinuxMint 18 ... You install
a version that hasn't been EOL for 3 years.
Thanks, may need to do that soon.
Gordon
2024-10-26 02:02:30 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by Dan Purgert
Post by Adam
[...]
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
If you REALLY mean you're on Ubuntu 16.04 / LinuxMint 18 ... You install
a version that hasn't been EOL for 3 years.
Thanks, may need to do that soon.
The 22.04 version is a LTS version, and has 6 months of post release testing
so good as it is probably going to get.
Adam
2024-10-27 00:32:17 UTC
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Post by Gordon
Post by Adam
Post by Dan Purgert
Post by Adam
[...]
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
If you REALLY mean you're on Ubuntu 16.04 / LinuxMint 18 ... You install
a version that hasn't been EOL for 3 years.
Thanks, may need to do that soon.
The 22.04 version is a LTS version, and has 6 months of post release testing
so good as it is probably going to get.
Thanks, been looking into 22.04 LTS. Downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso. Plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live
first when time permits.
Joerg Walther
2024-10-27 10:40:50 UTC
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Post by Adam
Thanks, been looking into 22.04 LTS. Downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso.
I'm running this on my laptop (despite writing this in Forte Agent,
which runs in Wine). I registered with Ubuntu and now have a free pro
account which will give me updates until 2034 (not that I intend on
using this laptop until then...).

-jw-
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And now for something completely different...
Alan K.
2024-10-25 18:49:35 UTC
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Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14, 2025. A root certificate will
expire, causing some preferences and other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use. They're kinda hard to launch in the terminal, but I just
edit the menu and copy the properties of that program. Toss it someplace and hold onto it. That or
make a desktop launcher. But I only have 3 programs.
--
Linux Mint 22, Cinnamon 6.2.9, Kernel 6.8.0-47-generic
Al
Adam
2024-10-25 19:09:57 UTC
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Post by Alan K.
Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use. They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program. Toss it someplace and hold onto it. That or make a desktop
launcher. But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...

https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
=====================================================================
Key Takeaways...
Flatpaks are a convenient, distribution-agnostic, way to install Linux
applications. With application sandboxing and bundled dependencies, they
also avoid dependency hell. Most distributions offer Flatpak support but
on Ubuntu you'll need to install the Flatpak framework first.
=====================================================================
Paul
2024-10-26 03:37:06 UTC
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Post by Adam
Post by Alan K.
Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use.  They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program.  Toss it someplace and hold onto it.  That or make a desktop
launcher.   But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...
https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
So what have you decided to do ?

There are a variety of things you could try, but we don't know
what your setup is. Are you on a 32-bit only CPU ??? That's
what it sounds like.

Run an:

inxi -F

and post the bits you are comfortable with, so we can understand
what possibilities remain for you.

On 16.04, it does not look like the support goes as far on the
32-bit version, as it does on the 64-bit version.

And many of the other options, require a 64-bit capable processor.

The other issue, is graphics cards, which is not really a good
situation these days. The cards are way too expensive for what
you're getting. I have two low-end cards for three machines here,
and the third one uses integrated graphics (iGPU). The cards
were around $200 each. There are even new processors, cheaper
than that. There isn't as much support for graphics cards,
as there used to be.

Paul
Adam
2024-10-27 00:27:26 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by Adam
Post by Alan K.
Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use. They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program. Toss it someplace and hold onto it. That or make a desktop
launcher. But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...
https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
So what have you decided to do ?
Been looking into 22.04 LTS (downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso), plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live
first, already tried out Mint 21 (Vanessa) & Mint 21.x (forget which
one), for some reason Vanessa worked better (but I forget why at the
moment). May need to backup, increase partition size, etc. Ubuntu
seems more direct than Mint.
Post by Paul
There are a variety of things you could try, but we don't know
what your setup is. Are you on a 32-bit only CPU ??? That's
what it sounds like.
inxi -F
***@ThinkPad-T430:~$ inxi -F
System: Host: ThinkPad-T430 Kernel: 4.4.0-206-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Unity 7.4.5
Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine: System: LENOVO (portable) product: 2349US9 v: ThinkPad T430
Mobo: LENOVO model: 2349US9 Bios: LENOVO v: G1ET93WW (2.53 )
date: 03/08/2013
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3320M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 1306 MHz 2: 1201 MHz 3: 1200
MHz 4: 1200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded:
fbdev,vesa)
Resolution: ***@59.98hz
GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version:
3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio: Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio
Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-206-generic
Network: Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: 28:d2:44:29:7d:ac
Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver:
iwlwifi
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: a4:4e:31:72:62:c8
Drives: HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (72.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model:
ST500LM021 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 6.7G (37%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: /home size: 346G used: 326G (100%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda6
ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.00GB used: 5.19GB (65%) fs: swap dev:
/dev/sda5
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3757
Info: Processes: 238 Uptime: 2 days Memory: 2842.0/3652.7MB Client:
Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
Post by Paul
and post the bits you are comfortable with, so we can understand
what possibilities remain for you.
On 16.04, it does not look like the support goes as far on the
32-bit version, as it does on the 64-bit version.
I've been using 64-bit version.
Post by Paul
And many of the other options, require a 64-bit capable processor.
The other issue, is graphics cards, which is not really a good
situation these days. The cards are way too expensive for what
you're getting. I have two low-end cards for three machines here,
and the third one uses integrated graphics (iGPU). The cards
were around $200 each. There are even new processors, cheaper
than that. There isn't as much support for graphics cards,
as there used to be.
Paul
Another project just sprung on me. Major house cleaning, which has
higher priority. <sigh>
Paul
2024-10-27 02:59:39 UTC
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Post by Paul
Post by Adam
Post by Alan K.
Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use.  They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program.  Toss it someplace and hold onto it.  That or make a desktop
launcher.   But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...
https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
So what have you decided to do ?
Been looking into 22.04 LTS (downloaded ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso), plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live first, already tried out Mint 21 (Vanessa) & Mint 21.x (forget which one), for some reason Vanessa worked better (but I forget why at the moment).  May need to backup, increase partition size, etc.  Ubuntu seems more direct than Mint.
Post by Paul
There are a variety of things you could try, but we don't know
what your setup is. Are you on a 32-bit only CPU ??? That's
what it sounds like.
    inxi -F
System:    Host: ThinkPad-T430 Kernel: 4.4.0-206-generic x86_64 (64 bit) Desktop: Unity 7.4.5
           Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine:   System: LENOVO (portable) product: 2349US9 v: ThinkPad T430
           Mobo: LENOVO model: 2349US9 Bios: LENOVO v: G1ET93WW (2.53 ) date: 03/08/2013
CPU:       Dual core Intel Core i5-3320M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
           clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 1306 MHz 2: 1201 MHz 3: 1200 MHz 4: 1200 MHz
Graphics:  Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
           Display Server: X.Org 1.18.3 drivers: intel (unloaded: fbdev,vesa)
           GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio:     Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio Controller
           driver: snd_hda_intel
           Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-206-generic
Network:   Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
           IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: 28:d2:44:29:7d:ac
           Card-2: Intel Centrino Advanced-N 6205 [Taylor Peak] driver: iwlwifi
           IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: a4:4e:31:72:62:c8
Drives:    HDD Total Size: 500.1GB (72.9% used) ID-1: /dev/sda model: ST500LM021 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 6.7G (37%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda3
           ID-2: /home size: 346G used: 326G (100%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda6
           ID-3: swap-1 size: 8.00GB used: 5.19GB (65%) fs: swap dev: /dev/sda5
RAID:      No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors:   System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0C mobo: N/A
           Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3757
Info:      Processes: 238 Uptime: 2 days Memory: 2842.0/3652.7MB Client: Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
Post by Paul
and post the bits you are comfortable with, so we can understand
what possibilities remain for you.
On 16.04, it does not look like the support goes as far on the
32-bit version, as it does on the 64-bit version.
I've been using 64-bit version.
Post by Paul
And many of the other options, require a 64-bit capable processor.
The other issue, is graphics cards, which is not really a good
situation these days. The cards are way too expensive for what
you're getting. I have two low-end cards for three machines here,
and the third one uses integrated graphics (iGPU). The cards
were around $200 each. There are even new processors, cheaper
than that. There isn't as much support for graphics cards,
as there used to be.
    Paul
Another project just sprung on me.  Major house cleaning, which has higher priority.  <sigh>
This is the limit of Ubuntu 16.04, without installing Ubuntu Advantage to stretch support.
You could have Firefox 88 today, which is not the latest.

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Linux Mint is the most practical upgrade.

Your hardware is modern enough, I don't see an immediate problem.
It's third generation out of fourteen generations, from the year 2012.

https://ark.intel.com/content/www/us/en/ark/products/64896/intel-core-i5-3320m-processor-3m-cache-up-to-3-30-ghz.html

The kernel on your current install is 4.4 now and would be 4.15 if you updated 16.04.
Some of the distros have 6.x kernels now. A slightly older Linux Mint would be 5.15 kernel
with good graphics support. Some of the graphics fell off the wagon for
the 6 kernel. If there is trouble, if the newest Mint is too slow, go back
a version.

It looks like the unhappy russians have tipped over distrowatch, so
I can't bring up the Mint page for you. Status is 403, without an explanation.

https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint

The page doesn't have the kernels listed, unfortunately. I can't find
kernel version versus distro.

https://web.archive.org/web/20240927133111/https://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=mint

In any case, your Linux Mint choices are Virginia 21.3 with an older kernel (hopefully)
and Wilma 22 with a newer kernel (and maybe your graphics won't be accelerated).
Your graphics are currently accelerated (from your above info):

GLX Renderer: Mesa DRI Intel Ivybridge Mobile GLX Version: 3.0 Mesa 11.2.0

The Intel support policies on graphics might be different than NVidia binary blobs.
I don't know how to predict support there. My GMA graphics have been giving me trouble
on an older machine, and my 7900GT ($65) seems to have fallen off the support wagon.

Paul
Adam
2024-10-27 05:55:39 UTC
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Post by Adam
I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
=====================================================================
Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
=====================================================================
How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use. They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program. Toss it someplace and hold onto it. That or make a desktop
launcher. But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...
https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
So what have you decided to do ?
Been looking into 22.04 LTS (downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso), plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live
first, already tried out Mint 21 (Vanessa) & Mint 21.x (forget which
one), for some reason Vanessa worked better (but I forget why at the
moment). May need to backup, increase partition size, etc. Ubuntu
seems more direct than Mint.
I think it was because persistence worked with Mint 21 (Vanessa) but not
Mint 21.x. Why?
Post by Adam
Post by Paul
There are a variety of things you could try, but we don't know
what your setup is. Are you on a 32-bit only CPU ??? That's
what it sounds like.
inxi -F
System: Host: ThinkPad-T430 Kernel: 4.4.0-206-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Unity 7.4.5
Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine: System: LENOVO (portable) product: 2349US9 v: ThinkPad T430
Mobo: LENOVO model: 2349US9 Bios: LENOVO v: G1ET93WW (2.53 )
date: 03/08/2013
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3320M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 1306 MHz 2: 1201 MHz 3: 1200
MHz 4: 1200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
fbdev,vesa)
3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio: Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio
Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
Sound: Advanced Linux Sound Architecture v: k4.4.0-206-generic
Network: Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: 28:d2:44:29:7d:ac
iwlwifi
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: a4:4e:31:72:62:c8
ST500LM021 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 6.7G (37%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: /home size: 346G used: 326G (100%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda6
/dev/sda5
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3757
Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
Post by Paul
and post the bits you are comfortable with, so we can understand
what possibilities remain for you.
On 16.04, it does not look like the support goes as far on the
32-bit version, as it does on the 64-bit version.
I've been using 64-bit version.
Post by Paul
And many of the other options, require a 64-bit capable processor.
The other issue, is graphics cards, which is not really a good
situation these days. The cards are way too expensive for what
you're getting. I have two low-end cards for three machines here,
and the third one uses integrated graphics (iGPU). The cards
were around $200 each. There are even new processors, cheaper
than that. There isn't as much support for graphics cards,
as there used to be.
Paul
Another project just sprung on me. Major house cleaning, which has
higher priority. <sigh>
Adam
2024-10-27 13:33:36 UTC
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I'm getting the following message...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/welcome/19/
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Firefox
You’re on an older version of Firefox
Update your Firefox browser
Older versions of Firefox may start to have problems on January 14,
2025. A root certificate will expire, causing some preferences and
other features to stop working. Update to get the best possible
browsing experience. Read more about this change
Update now
Firefox Privacy Notice
Usually takes 2–3 minutes
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How to safely update Firefox without messing up Ubuntu 16.04 ?
[I prefer a stable version over the latest and greatest version.]
How to try out Firefox versions without installing?
Downloads for Linux 64-bit here...
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/download/thanks/
[But, where are the instructions?]
No Snap or Flatpak for me.
Why not flatpak?
I've had good luck with the few I use. They're kinda hard to launch in
the terminal, but I just edit the menu and copy the properties of that
program. Toss it someplace and hold onto it. That or make a desktop
launcher. But I only have 3 programs.
Thanks, but...
https://www.howtogeek.com/902275/what-is-a-flatpak-in-linux-and-how-do-you-install-one/
So what have you decided to do ?
Been looking into 22.04 LTS (downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso), plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live
first, already tried out Mint 21 (Vanessa) & Mint 21.x (forget which
one), for some reason Vanessa worked better (but I forget why at the
moment). May need to backup, increase partition size, etc. Ubuntu
seems more direct than Mint.
I think it was because persistence worked with Mint 21 (Vanessa) but not
Mint 21.x. Why?
Could it be due to the size difference of the USB sticks?
Mint 21 (Vanessa) USB Live is on 32GB stick.
Mint 21.x USB Live is on 64GB stick.
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There are a variety of things you could try, but we don't know
what your setup is. Are you on a 32-bit only CPU ??? That's
what it sounds like.
inxi -F
System: Host: ThinkPad-T430 Kernel: 4.4.0-206-generic x86_64 (64 bit)
Desktop: Unity 7.4.5
Distro: Ubuntu 16.04 xenial
Machine: System: LENOVO (portable) product: 2349US9 v: ThinkPad T430
Mobo: LENOVO model: 2349US9 Bios: LENOVO v: G1ET93WW (2.53 )
date: 03/08/2013
CPU: Dual core Intel Core i5-3320M (-HT-MCP-) cache: 3072 KB
clock speeds: max: 3300 MHz 1: 1306 MHz 2: 1201 MHz 3: 1200
MHz 4: 1200 MHz
Graphics: Card: Intel 3rd Gen Core processor Graphics Controller
fbdev,vesa)
3.0 Mesa 11.2.0
Audio: Card Intel 7 Series/C210 Series Family High Definition Audio
Controller
driver: snd_hda_intel
k4.4.0-206-generic
Network: Card-1: Intel 82579LM Gigabit Network Connection driver: e1000e
IF: enp0s25 state: down mac: 28:d2:44:29:7d:ac
iwlwifi
IF: wlp3s0 state: up mac: a4:4e:31:72:62:c8
ST500LM021 size: 500.1GB
Partition: ID-1: / size: 20G used: 6.7G (37%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda3
ID-2: /home size: 346G used: 326G (100%) fs: ext3 dev: /dev/sda6
/dev/sda5
RAID: No RAID devices: /proc/mdstat, md_mod kernel module present
Sensors: System Temperatures: cpu: 46.0C mobo: N/A
Fan Speeds (in rpm): cpu: 3757
Shell (bash) inxi: 2.2.35
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and post the bits you are comfortable with, so we can understand
what possibilities remain for you.
On 16.04, it does not look like the support goes as far on the
32-bit version, as it does on the 64-bit version.
I've been using 64-bit version.
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And many of the other options, require a 64-bit capable processor.
The other issue, is graphics cards, which is not really a good
situation these days. The cards are way too expensive for what
you're getting. I have two low-end cards for three machines here,
and the third one uses integrated graphics (iGPU). The cards
were around $200 each. There are even new processors, cheaper
than that. There isn't as much support for graphics cards,
as there used to be.
Paul
Another project just sprung on me. Major house cleaning, which has
higher priority. <sigh>
Paul
2024-10-27 17:36:41 UTC
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Been looking into 22.04 LTS (downloaded
ubuntu-22.04.5-desktop-amd64.iso), plan to try-out 22.04 LTS USB Live
first, already tried out Mint 21 (Vanessa) & Mint 21.x (forget which
one), for some reason Vanessa worked better (but I forget why at the
moment).  May need to backup, increase partition size, etc.  Ubuntu
seems more direct than Mint.
I think it was because persistence worked with Mint 21 (Vanessa) but not
Mint 21.x. Why?
Could it be due to the size difference of the USB sticks?
Mint 21 (Vanessa) USB Live is on 32GB stick.
Mint 21.x USB Live is on 64GB stick.
I put a post in your other thread for you, with persistence information.
It can be done, but you'll need to resize the USB stick a bit, and
make room for your persistence on the end of the partitioning. Normally
on persistence, the "name" of the partition matters. For example,
at one time, they used a file rather than a partition and the file
was named "casperrw". But times have changed, and the name
could be different today.

Paul

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